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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 22:34:43
Sadly had to cut short this week. The server admin had to take the server down due to problems with the economy plugin since the update to LNBits 1.0.
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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 21:54:18
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#MinecraftMonday is back this week! Going live in 5 minutes or so.
Last week I lost all my gear... twice... So this week is primarily going to be building up some spare gear and maybe searching for ancient debris in a bit safer way than using TNT and making zombie piglins angry..
#Minecraft #Minecraftstr #Gaming #Gamestr #Bitcoin #Lightning #ZapStream
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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 21:46:48
I also use paid relays, and WoT relays, and my own Haven relay. So yes, I agree that there are solutions people can take advantage of. However, these solutions disadvantage new users who are just trying Nostr out for the first time.
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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 20:52:54
That's an interesting idea. It's effectively an attempt to create a distinction between legitimate identities and potential spammers by adding a "cost" to creating an identity, yet without the need for a centralized authority.
However, I don't know how effective it would be. The PoW would have to be high enough that it imposes a significant cost for spammers to have to spin up a new identity once the one they were using is no longer being seen by most users. Yet, that also means it will be a considerable wait for a new user on standard hardware to generate enough PoW to finally be able to post.
Indeed, a spammer could have his GPU working overnight to have multiple Nostr keys ready to go, so that as one is detected as a spammer, he just uses the next one in line, with the PoW note already having been generated.
I think the cost to the new user would be greater than the imposition caused to a determined spammer. Indeed, the more I look at PoW as a possible spam deterrent, the less it makes sense and really just ends up being a deterrent against new users in general. For it to be effective at deterring spam, it needs to be a high enough amount of PoW that it is an annoyance to average users, too. Especially those posting from mobile devices.
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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 20:47:51
Helpful, and that is a form of what Amethyst does. However, it requires a number of people within a user's community to see and report the spam before it will be hidden. Not ideal.
The preference would be that NO ONE has to see it, particularly for the worst types of unwanted notes.
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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 20:22:07
I bet you understand more than you give yourself credit for. You likely know that your identity is your key-pair, that notes are stored on relays, that you can read from and write to more than one relay at a time, and that clients are the apps you use to view notes that were created by others, interact with them, and create your own notes that then get saved to your chosen relays.
That's the basic plumbing of Nostr, right?
I think the idea is theoretically possible, but it would require both clients and relays to be developed that support pay-per-reply, and would likely need to use eCash, which means Nostr clients would likely need to all support NIP-60. That's probably the direction things are going, but it may take a bit to get there.
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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 19:39:48
Why does spam exist?
It only exists because the following three things are true:
1. People with malicious intent exist.
2. People can create new Nostr identities for free.
3. New identities can write to relays for free with the expectation that their notes will be seen and may not be removed for a time.
It is not possible to change 1, and 2 cannot be changed without a central authority that issues "approved" Nostr keys. Not a road we want to go down.
That means the only way to fight spam is by improving the ability of relays to block spam from being written to them in the first place and/or recognize and remove it quickly.
It is then the responsibility of users to only read from relays that do so. This means they need to have a place to find such relays. A relay marketplace, of sorts, that they can be referred to or that can be displayed within their Nostr client.
Clients aren't entirely off the hook here either. Defaults matter, and clients should have sensible default relays for new users that haven't built a relay list of their own yet. But they can only do so when there are solid relay options that allow write access to new users while also effectively recognizing and removing spam.
Clients can also provide tools for mitigating spam that do not rely on relays doing so, such as the way Coracle, Damus, and Nostur can filter posts based on WoT, regardless of what relays they use. Likewise, Amethyst has a toggle to hide posts that have been reported by those you follow. With these types of tools, though, your experience will vary widely from client to client, based on whether they implement similar tools and whether they toggle them on by default.
Meanwhile, picking good relays will affect your experience on all clients. Well... at least the ones that respect your relay choices...
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@ b7274d28:c99628cb
2025-06-16 16:40:26
Which requires users to take respinsibility by choosing or running their own quality relays.
What I said is not an excuse, it's a simple reality. And maybe that means Nostr will die because people cannot handle the responsibility of freedom.